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  1. 11/10/2013 at 6:55 pm

    Like a space cadet I left my wheels in the pits. It’s a pair of DT R450 rims laced to shimano 105 hubs wrapped in Captain CX tires. Hopefully they found their way to the lost and found.

    • psimet
      11/11/2013 at 4:30 pm

      I remember someone saying they were out there. I believe they made it into the trailer or into one of the SCW cars as part of the lost and found.

  2. windycityguide
    11/10/2013 at 7:37 pm

    Left my bag next to I think was the Pony Shop tent – a picnic table was in front of it and it was near the staging entrance. It was just before Cat 4 race. I came back after 4/5 race and the ent and bag were gone. I assume it is with the tent stuff. It was a dark blue/grey Barat College athletic bag with a Higher Gear jersey, Asics black warm up pants and other items. The tent had coffee. Was it Pony Shop? Anyone see the bag? Thanks Russ

  3. Jim G
    11/10/2013 at 7:55 pm

    Great yet hurtful course. Thanks Rob and Psimet crew!

  4. 11/10/2013 at 8:13 pm

    Great course, great times, just wish the 4’s had been more than TWO LAPS (I guess we needed to be faster eh?) Some photos (courtesy of one-armed Tien N.) from the Rhythm and Blues CX race on Sat (juniors) and most of the races today… https://plus.google.com/photos/114704858314155611218/albums/5944817698589621521?authkey=CK7pz9L5zOCNHA

    • Patrick N
      11/10/2013 at 8:49 pm

      The CCC is a great series – I’ve enjoyed bike racing more this fall than any other time… (now comes the constructive criticism – no need to flame) The course did not need all those silly spiral turns – this turned what should have been a great course into circus and created an unnecessarily long lap time – which is I’m sure the reason why the 4s only got in 2 laps (or was it b/c they were behind schedule?) For most that meant a 22 minute race. I feel a bit foolish for driving over an hour and a half for a 22 minute race – lesson learned I guess.

      • Ben LaForce
        11/10/2013 at 9:47 pm

        I feel exactly the same as Patrick here. Been loving the series all season long but the spirals were gimmicky and 22 minutes of racing was not worth the drive. I heard if our first lap was 10 seconds faster we would have had a 3rd lap.

        • psimet
          11/12/2013 at 1:21 pm

          Ben – weren’t you a 3? Did you downgrade? The 3’s race is longer…just sayin…

          • Ben LaForce
            11/12/2013 at 3:57 pm

            yeah im slow, maybe next year

  5. patricknewman
    11/10/2013 at 8:51 pm

    The CCC is a great series – I’ve enjoyed bike racing more this fall than any other time… (now comes the constructive criticism – no need to flame) The course did not need all those silly spiral turns – this turned what should have been a great course into circus and created an unnecessarily long lap time – which is I’m sure the reason why the 4s only got in 2 laps (or was it b/c they were behind schedule?) For most that meant a 22 minute race. I feel a bit foolish for driving over an hour and a half for a 22 minute race – lesson learned I guess.

    • Mike P
      11/11/2013 at 10:50 am

      Y’all need to upgrade then and race in the 3’s. It’s cyclocross. It’s supposed to be short and sweet with LOTS of turning so you can learn how to handle your bike and not cause crashes on a group ride or road races.

      • patricknewman
        11/11/2013 at 12:19 pm

        Oh, I didn’t know we were at at bike handling skills clinic for road racers- my mistake. Now I realize why I felt more confident on my bike this morning after only 10 plus years of racing. You should have seen me in that pace line. My buddies were like, “man I’ve never seen you handle yourself so well in an echelon! ” Point was I sat my butt in a car for a total of 3 hours on a beautiful day for a sub 22 min race. Would another lap have been materially different? Who knows? Maybe I would have raced Masters had I known. The promoters should let people know that the race is not guaranteed to be 30, or 45 mins. Similar thing happened the other day when I went to run a half marathon, they shortened it to a 10k because they had planning & scheduling problems (didn’t actually happen).

        Ok enough snark. I appreciate the work that goes into these events. My original point was meant to be constructive-just like anything else, there is always room for improvement.

        • patricknewman
          11/11/2013 at 12:47 pm

          Forgot some kudos, great job on the timely results at the race and uploaded to Usacycling.

        • Ryan Handley
          11/11/2013 at 1:33 pm

          Promoters don’t determine race lengths. The schedule calls for an allotted length for all races. Officials determine how many laps should be run consistent with those times, based on the leader’s lap times. It is impossible to know the day before a race how fast the leaders in each category are going to complete the circuit.

          Everyone rides the same course and adjustments for one category affect all the other races. Here are the effects of shortening the course 30 seconds per lap yesterday: Mike Phillips won the 123 in 58:30, 6 laps, decreased time = 55:30 / race length = 60 minutes; Tricia Renee Fleming took second in the W123 in 45:31, 4 laps, decreased time = 43:30 / race length = 45 minutes, Paul Brian McInerney placed fifth in the Cat 3 in 42:22, 4 laps, decreased time = 40:22 / race length = 45 minutes.

          An alternative would have been for officials to allow the riders who were closest to 10 minutes on their lap times in the 4s to proceed with a 3rd lap and pull everyone else. I don’t have to imagine the outcry if a large portion of the field were pulled because that was recently the complaint of the week. This series is awesome because of the diversity in its participants and the courses. I dislike some courses because they attack my weaknesses. It doesn’t mean it was a bad course, it highlights an area I need to work on. Maybe a given rider handles toilet bowls well, I assure you the entire field doesn’t and they allow those that need to, to improve their bike handling. If all courses were changed to be more open, the complaints would shift to the point out that the series is just crits on grass. Each event is unique in what it offers. People should feel free to sign up for just the events they think suit their preferences or embrace all of the differences offered. If trying to make sure that everyone is happy became the focus of the series, it would ensure only that a larger portion of participants were unhappy about something. It is interesting that Mr. Newman and Mr. Whittier both choose to complain of not getting enough racing, yet both were registered for the 4/5 race and chose to DNS.

          • patricknewman
            11/11/2013 at 2:03 pm

            Yep, I was on the wait list for the 4/5s, chose not to pay $10 for what I figured might be a one lap race. Stayed and cheered/ heckled.

            • ken krebs
              11/11/2013 at 2:42 pm

              To drive 3 hours and not pay another $10 for double the race time is kinda dumb then. Or maybe think about racing both the masters races if you qualify, they are 45 minutes each. Or, CAT up and race the 1/2/3 race which is an hour long, all for the low low price of a one lap CAT 4 race. If you want longer races, there are plenty of them.

              • 11/11/2013 at 3:16 pm

                great point – thanks for your help.

          • patricknewman
            11/11/2013 at 2:24 pm

            If I was concerned about a course “attacking” or highlighting my weaknesses I wouldn’t be racing ‘cross at all (the best course for me would have zero barriers) The race was way too short because of the lap length and setup. Try to refute that point.

            • KP
              11/11/2013 at 5:09 pm

              With all due respect…It is almost impossible for the promoters and organizers to know how long each lap will take until race day. Bartlett was a long course (shorter than Woodstock, with less natural features) and I believe the Cat123 race was 7-8 laps vs. 6 this weekend. My suggestion to everyone, instead of complaining on here write down a list that includes what you didn’t enjoy and what could have been improved upon as well as a list of what you thought was done right then give it to that promoter. Being constructive is not calling out what was wrong, but to help with what can be improved for next season.

        • ken krebs
          11/11/2013 at 2:03 pm

          Another race is $10. Yep, just $10.

    • KP
      11/11/2013 at 11:47 am

      The spiral turns used to be very popular years ago and they create a different style course that may cater to some riders and not as well to others. The spiral turns were not the cause of long laps and 2 lap races. You have to remember that the 4’s and 4/5’s have 100 riders and for there to have been 3 laps the 4/5s would have started too late. 3laps would have not been possible in 30mins for the 4’s. The race was on time and not running behind, the 4’s were actually staged 7mins early. I find it hard to believe 4’s had 11 minute laps when cat123 had 6 laps in 60 mins equaling 10min laps.

      • Michael
        11/11/2013 at 12:00 pm

        Mike P,

        I do agree these riders should upgrade when they are ready. I don’t believe in “sandbagers” but I’m sorry but toilet bowls and mazes of caution tape is not cyclocross. The woods section and run up where good but that’s about it. This is Chicago cross cup one of the biggest cross series in the nation and we continue to provide course like this. We should stop blaming it on unskilled riders and take a step back and hold the race promoters and the series responsible for conditions and courses like this. Do get me wrong I’m not saying the race promoters aren’t working hard enough or anything like that because I have worked very close with one on a race and understand how much work goes into these races.Cross should be open with flowing technical sections. I’m sure this Parick fellow has great road riding skills and is just placed into the 4s because that’s how it works. There was nothing to do in the maze sections besides rub tires and try to run any one off the course. The couses need to be opened up plain and simple. Just because the course was “hard” or “made my legs burn” doesn’t mean it was a good course.

        • KP
          11/11/2013 at 1:55 pm

          That’s why I was saying that the “toilet bowls” cater to some and not to others. I found the course to be very smooth including the “toilet bowls”. It seems like a popular thing to do is complain about the courses this year, whether it be because it’s boring or too long or too short. Every course is different and that’s what makes this series so fun and interesting. Don’t get me wrong there are a few venues and a few courses I just plain don’t like, but take a step back and look at the series as a whole. Some riders might have hated the “toilet bowls” where others might have loved them. There is no way to make a course that is suited for everyone or a course that everyone loves. There will always be some guys that hate the courses and some guys that love them, doesn’t matter where in the world you race there will be fun courses and not so fun courses for everyone. I personally loved the course. The promoters are trying their best with what they have to work with. If they took away the twisty tape sections you talk about then each race would be a grass crit that caters to the power riders only. There are only so many natural features a promoter can use based off the location and Rob used them all this past weekend. This is my 8th season of the CCC and I remember when every race had the “toilet bowl” or multiple “toilet bowls”.

  6. jose
    11/10/2013 at 10:05 pm

    jus a few pic from the cat 4-5 …………………………………………https://www.facebook.com/jose.l.barraza.9/media_set?set=a.10202558970485422.1531000828&type=3

    • patrick j
      11/10/2013 at 10:26 pm

      Great course this is what cross is all about a little of everything climbs single track bike control just awesome! Wouldn’t change it good job guys!

  7. 11/10/2013 at 10:27 pm

    We are starting processing images backwards this week, and the Cat 4 and Cat 4/5 photos have been posted here. We’ll reply to this post as we add additional photos.

    http://www.snowymountainphotography.com/Sports/Cyclocross/CCC08Woodstock

    All of our photos have keywords for the venue, race, and category, so you can use the “Search” interface to narrow down the available photos if you so desire.

    Thanks to Rob Curtis and the PsiMet team for putting on a great race.

    Nathan and Morleigh

  8. digitalcanemedia
    • BVK
      11/11/2013 at 6:54 am

      Cat 4/5, 4, Gallery is empty?

      • digitalcanemedia
        11/11/2013 at 8:24 am

        I started uploading around midnight last night and they are still going, I’m blaming the wi-fi, although it could be the massive amount of data 5000+ pictures represents. Either way they should all be up by lunchtime today. Sorry for jumping the gun on the links, but I was trying to keep it all in one post.

        ~Matt

        • BVK
          11/11/2013 at 8:40 am

          No worries. Thanks Man!

  9. cujarrett
    11/10/2013 at 11:48 pm

    I took a lot of pictures throughout the day. I posted them all on my blog. I am not charging for photos as I shoot weddings and such for finical gain and I go to bike races to race and have a good time! Please give credit when using, and feel free to sign up to my blog if you like what you see. If you want the full resolution, just leave a comment on my blog.

    http://www.CyclesInLife.com

    • Al Reyes
      11/11/2013 at 11:34 am

      Thanks Matt! you have a talent to capture the spirit of CX on your pictures

      • cujarrett
        11/11/2013 at 11:52 am

        Thanks Al! I enjoy racing, the atmosphere, and the people! It’s my pleasure to give back a little with some pictures!

  10. 11/11/2013 at 4:37 am

    Here is some of the first lap debacle before my camera died! One more thing to worry about, charging the battery.

  11. 11/11/2013 at 1:06 pm

    Cat 4/5 start.

  12. 11/11/2013 at 1:07 pm

    Cat 4 Sandpit.

  13. 11/11/2013 at 1:08 pm

    More sand. Cat 4.

  14. 11/11/2013 at 1:09 pm

    Women’s Cat 1-2-3. Sand.

  15. 11/11/2013 at 1:10 pm

    Heckle Hill Barriers. Cat 4-5.

  16. 11/11/2013 at 1:10 pm

    Women’s Cat 4. Sand.

    • christine tejada
      11/11/2013 at 7:35 pm

      Even though I was the one to fall first (no sand needed), I love this video. Thank you!

  17. Scott A
    11/11/2013 at 2:03 pm

    Some of Sundays course elements were “best of” the season potential, but given the size and features of the venue, the 180’s and toilet bowls leave me scratching my head.
    I would kill to be course designer for this place!
    I understand for some of the CCC stops, space is an issue, but can any race promoters chime in and explain the overuse of 180’s and toilet bowls(better than past years)???
    To the CCC: What about getting all the promoters together pre-season to discuss course design? Or create a small course design committee? Shouldn’t there be a common string to a “Series” of races?…
    I would like to feel that the CCC is continually striving to present a better product…

    Oh yeah… while we’re at it … at $30 an entry multiplied times 5 to 8 hundred entries, isn’t 4 port-o-potties at some venues a little on the low side?

    OK, so to summarize: Less crap, more crappers.

    • 11/11/2013 at 3:13 pm

      I feel like you can’t complain about 180s. They’re cyclocross bread and butter. Watch any Belgian cross race and you’ll see plenty of 180s.

  18. CMac
    11/11/2013 at 2:55 pm

    Thanks again to Rob at PSI-met and his crew for putting together another fantastic & difficult course! I loved the longer length and the variety of challenges – plenty of technical bits as well as power sections. Keep it up!!

  19. 11/11/2013 at 3:08 pm

    Loved the heated bathrooms by the pond! Hands down and pants down, best toilet bowls of the series.

  20. t fleischer
    11/11/2013 at 3:28 pm

    HUGE THANK YOU to ROB, JULIE and ALL the volunteers that helped put up that massive course this weekend. It was miserably windy, and that had to be hell. I enjoyed EVERY SINGLE inch of the course…but did live in fear of the hike to the pit in the event of a mechanical! Was an AWESOME day!!

  21. 11/11/2013 at 4:01 pm

    course was fine – though yes, it was a bit on the long side. cutting the ‘toilet bowl’ would shave off what, 10-15sec per lap maybe?

    main issue at this venue is that the two big features (WOODS, HILL) are far apart and you need a start/finish, staging space, pit, etc all somewhere in between… i’ve been doing cross cup races for 5 years now and the courses have gotten better over time, but no matter what, some people will have complaints, including myself from time to time. i feel that most promoters have made positive changes and try to wring the most from their venue.

    for my skill set it’d be great if there was an all downhill course full of sweeping turns, long sandpits, and tons of 8″ logs, but i realize that ain’t gonna be every weekend. there’s gotta be some uphill, and being on the large side, yeah i’m gonna suffer.

    in hindsight i would have chopped the 180 after passing the pit the first time – cut north across the lot and into the off-camber pre-run-up section. however, all the parking lot/road crossings have their own challenges, such as when the marshalls directing traffic cannot see where riders are on course… unavoidable in some cases.

    i extend my kudos to Rob Curtis and the Psimet squad for this one.

  22. 11/11/2013 at 4:22 pm

    First Cross race back since 2007 or 2008 and I loved it (and did not kill myself or fall). Yep, it was hard, but I thought it was a great course – thanks Rob and crew!

  23. 11/11/2013 at 4:29 pm

    General comments re course – you guys must be new or only race in Chicago….the elements included are the bread and butter of actual cross courses. It isn’t road and it isn’t pure power. A good design, like the ones of the old USGP series, include technical sections :tight turns, off camber turning, corners and 180’s that require fluid speed control.

    These sections are a part of the sport because they allow for recovery in between difficult sections as called out in the Cyclocross handbook from USA Cycling. The “toilet bowls” suck in general. The “real” ones are huge….what we did at Woodstock were simple in, re-weight your bike and out. Given and placed specifically for recovery in between difficult sections. They were not toilet bowls from previous years in the series.

    If you can’t ride them – then you should learn. It isn’t an off-road crit. I’m guessing this may be the first time some will now realize that sections like that are included in races for recovery and not a ‘hey I don’t know what to do…would it be interesting to have them go back and forth?” standpoint.

    As for length – 3 years ago we were at like 2.25+ miles. Last year I cut it to save time and it ended up being slightly too short. This year I was aiming for 2 miles and hit 2.2 as we finished the course after 6+ hours of setup and the sun was setting – no time for revisions. I expressed my desire to have the 4’s race 3 laps as that was my target from day 1, but I don’t get to make that call. that is up to the officials.

    As for “if I had known that..” read your USA Cycling rule book. It’s all in there. Read up on the 80% rule. The one that the official referenced as you got your starting instructions yesterday. Amazing how people have already thought of that.

    Promoters run the races. The CCC organizes the points for the series, but the races are all individual races with different promoters, etc.

    I find the “complaints” a little funny when yesterday all I heard were rave reviews, but I guess I was just hearing from the people I know personally which would most likely be people that already know cross? The course was only SLIGHTly changed from the previous year. The reviews of that course are: http://chicrosscup.com/2012/11/04/2012-psi-clocross-for-life-pix-and-vids-and-race-reports/#comments

    Huge change in comments and yet small change in the course. Guess this year only the haters are coming out to post comments. Gotta admit that this is probably the second or 3rd time I’ve even bothered to come out and read the comments this year.

    Well – if you didn’t like Woodstock because you can’t handle your bike and only want to go in straight lines off road then by all means don’t bother coming out to Norge ;) Short course with lots of climbing and technical sections.

    Either way – thanks to everyone for coming out and having fun. Always amazing how we can come in and do what we do and be gone within 24 hrs. Tailwinds.

    • windycityguide
      11/11/2013 at 4:40 pm

      I love every course. All different, all unique, and that’s what keeps it interesting and fun. Thanks for everything Rob and officials!

    • KP
      11/11/2013 at 5:22 pm

      Loved the course Rob. I thought it was a great mix of technical sections as well as hills and straights. I agree this year there seems to be a lot of people complaining. CX is starting to get more and more serious and racing is getting tougher. I remember the first year I started with the CCC in 2006 and Cat4 fields were 40 dudes on a good day, Cat4B wasn’t even a thought and Cat5 was something most of us thought we might not ever see. CX has exploded in Chicago and with that comes the need for a variety of courses. I thought personally this was a good mix of everything and the longer laps were nice as there was much less lapped riders which equal less pulled riders. I do agree 2 lap races are not ideal, but again the promoters can never be certain of how long laps will take and when it comes down to it the officials are the rule makers on race day and if an official feels a race will go to long and delay races or cause safety concerns as the sunsets then it is their right to call the numbers of laps or pull riders as needed. I saw nothing in this course that I wouldn’t call “CX”.

    • BenJ
      11/11/2013 at 5:24 pm

      Great job Rob. That course taping and layout made for a race that required power and bike handling to do well. Tons of places to pass, power sections, tech sections, fast descents, elevation change, great sandpit, swoopy off cambers. Etc. Better than flat featureless grass parks.

    • Monica Rice
      11/11/2013 at 5:26 pm

      Honestly, I love the long courses! I am not very good yet on the “technique” but there was so much of a mix here it gave me some of everything to practice. I always love when people complain (sarcasm) My thought is, if you can do better -than do it. Course was awesome, I hope you don’t change it next year :)

    • robertcawthorne
      11/11/2013 at 5:57 pm

      The “recovery/toilet bowls” were much appreciated!

    • Ron cook
      11/11/2013 at 6:20 pm

      Can’t wait for Norge! My favorite course of the year.

    • Keith
      11/11/2013 at 6:48 pm

      Great Job Thanks to all who Helped set up and tear down with out them none of us would be able to race.
      Great Course

    • ken krebs
      11/11/2013 at 7:48 pm

      Absolutely Rob. Though this course didn’t suit my strengths, it was the fairest course so far, including everything except 2 foot log overs and rings of fire to ride through. Everybody on this course was challenged somewhere, which a great course design does. Everybody is going to complain about certain features with a varied course such as this. Personally, I’d rather see less laps with a longer course than a shorter course with more laps. I thought it was killer. Can’t wait for Norge. :)

      • Mike N
        11/11/2013 at 8:33 pm

        Ken, we all know your strength is not on any cx course. It’s internet banter.

        Rob and crew great job. Makes me want to buy a real cx bike.

        • ken krebs
          11/11/2013 at 9:04 pm

          LOL you don’t need a real CX bike!

    • Mike P
      11/11/2013 at 8:38 pm

      Rob, don’t know you but great course. Loved it so much, raced it 3 times.

    • Loudmouth with the mike
      11/11/2013 at 11:12 pm

      I used to drive to Kenosha every Tuesday night for no more than a few miles of racing at the velodrome. It only took a few laps there to sort it out most of the time. Just sayin’…..

      Back in the day, I would ride to the Harper ride (8 miles), do the group ride (36 miles), and ask who was in for a second lap, so that I was home well before noon with 88 miles. The reason I bring it up is that many drove to the training ride, and I always remember them saying they couldn’t do the second lap for one reason or another. They sometimes were the same ones who either skipped their pulls or even asked us to slow down.

      The Elite Men did a 9:30 first lap (at least the first rider….). The races were all pretty much ON time yesterday. I heard some 4’s say two was enough, and some say they wanted three. Please understand the role of the promoter and the officials, as it has been explained very nicely elsewhere in this thread. I lobbied for a deal for the 4’s. My plea was 3 laps if they did a 11 minute first lap. Keep in mind that means that many would be 12 or 13 minutes….. The response was that wouldn’t be possible. 10 minutes was the stated limit, but I felt like if the 4’s did a 10:15 first lap (again, not all 90 riders, but leader), maybe we could get 3 laps. Actual first lap was 10:30. No before you say that is close, remember that riders were streaming through for maybe the next 3-5 minutes. So as it was mentioned once before somewhere on here, maybe the top 5 riders should have been given 3 laps, with the rest being pulled.

      The point is that 4 laps total were available for ten bucks more. That should end this discussion. Or look for a 3 minute lap with a 10 lap race for 30 minutes. I think there was one Saturday. And it wasn’t an hour and a half drive.

      Finally. The series is a blessing. The promoters and their groups all do amazing work. I saw the park after everything was disassembled and squeezed into a small trailer last night and was amazed that that little vessel carried SO much fun. Doubt anybody passing it on the highway had even the faintest clue what JOY it carried inside. And pain.

    • 11/13/2013 at 1:10 pm

      Hey Rob – I missed this race, but wanted to say awesome course! Been racing for decades and I’ve never called out a promoter or course designer, let alone in front of all on a public forum. I think I speak for a lot of folks when I say that we appreciate your contributions to the series and to the sport.

  24. 11/11/2013 at 5:56 pm

    The recovery sections are much appreciated!

  25. 11/11/2013 at 7:41 pm

    Ryan I DNS’d for the 4/5 because I’m upgrading to 3 after a solid set of results this weekend, seemed like the right thing to do?

    Ryan Handley :
    Promoters don’t determine race lengths. The schedule calls for an allotted length for all races. Officials determine how many laps should be run consistent with those times, based on the leader’s lap times. It is impossible to know the day before a race how fast the leaders in each category are going to complete the circuit.
    Everyone rides the same course and adjustments for one category affect all the other races. Here are the effects of shortening the course 30 seconds per lap yesterday: Mike Phillips won the 123 in 58:30, 6 laps, decreased time = 55:30 / race length = 60 minutes; Tricia Renee Fleming took second in the W123 in 45:31, 4 laps, decreased time = 43:30 / race length = 45 minutes, Paul Brian McInerney placed fifth in the Cat 3 in 42:22, 4 laps, decreased time = 40:22 / race length = 45 minutes.
    An alternative would have been for officials to allow the riders who were closest to 10 minutes on their lap times in the 4s to proceed with a 3rd lap and pull everyone else. I don’t have to imagine the outcry if a large portion of the field were pulled because that was recently the complaint of the week. This series is awesome because of the diversity in its participants and the courses. I dislike some courses because they attack my weaknesses. It doesn’t mean it was a bad course, it highlights an area I need to work on. Maybe a given rider handles toilet bowls well, I assure you the entire field doesn’t and they allow those that need to, to improve their bike handling. If all courses were changed to be more open, the complaints would shift to the point out that the series is just crits on grass. Each event is unique in what it offers. People should feel free to sign up for just the events they think suit their preferences or embrace all of the differences offered. If trying to make sure that everyone is happy became the focus of the series, it would ensure only that a larger portion of participants were unhappy about something. It is interesting that Mr. Newman and Mr. Whittier both choose to complain of not getting enough racing, yet both were registered for the 4/5 race and chose to DNS.

  26. jose
    11/11/2013 at 8:30 pm

  27. 11/11/2013 at 8:31 pm
  28. Waterford Steve
    11/11/2013 at 9:20 pm

    Great course, Rob. A little of everything, and that’s just plain fun in my view. Don’t listen to the complaints. Would have been great to have a 3rd lap in the 4’s, but it’s the officials’ call. I have no problem with that; they are managing the whole day for everyone’s benefit and do a great job at it. Huge thanks to everyone who volunteered and worked so hard to set up a fantastic course!

  29. John Felke
    11/11/2013 at 9:46 pm

    Pics from #chicrosscup #PSIcx are up! http://ow.ly/qIMUC

  30. Nick Andriano
    11/12/2013 at 7:50 am

    Hey Rob,
    Wanna race Norge for slips? I’ve got an 2007 aluminum Scott CX with an even older 1×10 Ultegra drivetrain. Oh, and Ultegra/CXP22 wheels. I’m sure you’re in the market for a wheel upgrade.

    But seriously, thanks a lot for setting up the course. It was brutally hard and definitely made me work–looking forward to more of the same next year.

  31. Eric Drummer
    11/12/2013 at 9:10 am

    I loved the course! And I broke my leg on it!

  32. 11/12/2013 at 12:43 pm

    When did the comment section here turn into a public complaint box for masters and cat 4/5’s? Not that people can’t have complaints- just that it seems odd that this has become the de facto forum for people who seemingly don’t organize/work/put on cross races to complain publicly at those who do… As if Rob and his band of volunteers sat around and tried to design a course just long enough to ensure the cat 4’s wouldn’t race more than 22 minutes.

    Thankfully the update posted today says that the Melas race is going to give everybody who has ideas on what a cross course “should” be the opportunity to actually show up and pitch in. Can’t wait to see what you guys come up with.

  33. Sean B
    11/12/2013 at 1:54 pm

    Great course. Thank you to all who made this race happen and to everyone taking and sharing pictures, very cool and appreciated.

    Oh yeah, and to those making me scroll through your boo-hoo-hooing about the course, getting pulled, the course was too long, I had to turn my bike, there weren’t any unicorns, the race was too short (which seriously, if I ever bitch about a race being too short, shoot me)…THERE IS NO WHINING IN CYCLOCROSS.

    See what I did there, all caps, that means I’m shouting at you. Yes. You. I will never get this 5 minutes back so here we go……This whole thing is really simple: Train. Show up. Race hard. Respect your competitors, the venue and those who make the race happen. Say thank you to your promoters, volunteers and officials. Go home. Repeat.

    • 11/12/2013 at 5:45 pm

      Training? Aw man, that’s what I forgot. And thanks Rob, it was Psi-spectacular!

  34. Wendy Gaddey
    11/12/2013 at 4:31 pm

    Loved the course – great job to Rob and his Psimet crew! Thanks for all you do!

  35. 11/13/2013 at 12:33 am

    Can’t help it… have to add my 2 cents. In short, I loved the course so much that, even though I thought it was a bad idea with the chest congestion I was battling during pre-rides and for the previous few days, I “raced” the Cat 4 race. While I really didn’t like the toilet bowl sections as others have mentioned, I can’t think of a course that had just about everything but the kitchen sink. We all have features that we don’t like, might think are stupid, but it is just an opinion and for every opinion we have, someone else will have a different opinion. We have lots of different courses and that is what makes this such a strong series. Lastly, I always look forward to strengthening my off camber skills at Woodstock and it didn’t disappoint. Thanks, Rob.

  36. :(
    11/13/2013 at 9:45 am

    A few suggestions for the next year:
    1) No toilet bowls- too hard
    2) No sharp turns- really?
    3) No uphills- makes my legs burn
    4) Downhills OK
    5) Remove barriers- dangerous
    6)Remove sand- someone could fall in this powdery cushion
    7)Remove all grass/dirt surfaces- It slows everyone down
    8) Try to make the course in an oval/rectangle
    9) Ask for more respectful spectators- I don’t like fun

  37. Logan Gilbertsen
    11/13/2013 at 3:53 pm

    Filmed the CAT 4/5 on my GoPro,

    The Video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yqdhRpjZT4

  38. 11/13/2013 at 3:56 pm

    :( :
    A few suggestions for the next year:
    1) No toilet bowls- too hard
    2) No sharp turns- really?
    3) No uphills- makes my legs burn
    4) Downhills OK
    5) Remove barriers- dangerous
    6)Remove sand- someone could fall in this powdery cushion
    7)Remove all grass/dirt surfaces- It slows everyone down
    8) Try to make the course in an oval/rectangle
    9) Ask for more respectful spectators- I don’t like fun

    CycloVeloCrossDrome! This could be huge. I’m in!

  39. Ryan Handley
    11/15/2013 at 7:22 am

    Cat 4:

  40. Ryan Handley
    11/15/2013 at 7:30 am

    Cat 4/5:

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