Did anyone find a Psimet aluminum front disc wheel at Dan Ryan? It was left near the Half Acre / xXx / Johnny Sprockets tents – most likely near the bike stands.
Did anyone find a American Classic front disc wheel in the pit?
Random single speed, 15-18, 3 and 1/2/3 pics. I apologize in advance for the lack of editing and the Bicycle Heaven bias.
Awesome course! Thanks again to BBVP, the officials and participants for making it a great day of racing.
Men’s Cat 4:
Men’s Cat 4/5:
Again…’Say Anything’ girl, awesome.
Masters 45+ race. Pretty boring, until about the last lap, then it’s depressing.
CAT 3 Video
Lots of Michael Young’s ass..
And bonus feature of POV wipe-out on the bunny-hops at 4:20
Great course yesterday. For anyone that wants to get in more CX racing, the Rhythm and Blues registration is open and the fields are filling up fast. Don’t be left on the wrong side of the tape line on Oct 25th.
Well done, @BBVP. Great race! As for Rhythm and Blues, race flyer says, “Staging for each event is determined by registration.” Order of registration? If that’s truly the case, better to sign up early!
Did anyone happen to see what went down at the beginning of the 4/5? I was right behind the crash and managed to escape, but it looked super gnarly. Sounded like some carbon snapping, too.
Looked and sounded like someone blew a front tire and caused him to go over the bars which in turn took down 5-6 guys.
I heard it at the start. Jayloo has a sequence on his gallery.
Awesome, I’ll have a look.
On a lighter note, Robb Capps (45+) held the longest jump at 7’9″ for most of the day until Michael Dutcczak (1,2,3) bested him at 8’9″. Also, thanks to everyone who helped tear down the course.
Hey MarkZ, There are 15min between races. The winner of my race finished at 38:44. The last rider allowed to complete all laps was in at 45min. He finished 33rd, I finished 35th. He was 25 seconds ahead of me when I was pulled. So, lets say if I was allowed to complete my last lap I would have finished at 45:30. That would have left 9min 30sec until the start of the next race. I feel that would have been ample time to allow many of the 30 riders who were pulled to complete the entire race. The officials would have already staged the following race setting them up for an on time start.
The same scenario happened in the 1-2-3 race. Similar number of starters and riders pulled. My hope with all my rambling is that the officials can make the necessary adjustments to correct what I see as an issue that effects the quality and enjoyability of racing…
I invite you to become an official, and see how much work is involved to keep the race day on schedule. 15 minutes between races barely gives them enough time. In that time they have to finalize results, stage, and call-up the next race. A few minutes here, and a few minutes there added to this process will mean the cat 4/5s will finish in the dark come November.
G, Thank you for the invitation, but no thank you. I would not want the responsibility or frustration that an official faces on race day. They are terribly overworked and underpaid. I fully understand that. Laying blame on any individual, or group, was never my intent in any of my posts. I was only hoping to start conversation that may help resolve what I see as an issue. That said, within the replies to my posts is there a possible answer? The sport of Cyclocross is growing at an amazing rate….which is awesome! But this means larger fields and the possibility of more races… Which only leads to an even higher workload for the officials. What’s the breaking point? So, as an idea, are more officials needed on race day? One for registration oversight… one designated just for calculating results…and another to coordinate call-up and
staging? I have no idea what the rules state as far as number of officials required for an event, or what their duties are…etc..I’m just throwing out ideas…so swing away…
I have even heard argument (with the speed at which CX is growing) that eventually the CCC may need to go to a two day event giving each category their own race. Again, just ideas…swing away.
And yes, I understand that change equals more money needed to run an event. Nothing is easy.
It’s not like you can waive a magic wand and make officials appear. Or that there is a huge pool of officials sitting around on Sunday watching football instead of watching us ride in circles.
Not to mention the fact that most of those officials have already froze their tails off with us through silly spring racing, baked in the heat over the summer, and even made themselves dizzy watching us at the velodrome.
Sadly, the easiest, cheapest, and most efficient solution is to enforce the 80% rule when they feel the need.
Jimmy, The CCC is perfect and does not need your input. Pay your entry, drink the cool-aid, keep quiet, and ride your bike.
And when you have a weak moment, just reference non-participant Haiduk for all his wisdom.
Oddly, I checked the results and don’t see “Gobstopper” listed as a “participant” anywhere this year. Or last. Or ever.
But, either way, I never said it was perfect. There is no solution to keep everybody happy. I’ve volunteered at at least one race for the last 5 years. There’s really a lot going on behind the scenes. I’m just happy we have such a well-run, high quality series to play bikes in.
Gobstopper – Kind of a pointed comment coming from someone not putting their name to it.
In true roadie fashion my first response to anyone complaining about getting pulled is “go faster. The winners never get pulled.”
On the surface it always seems callous but in reality it’s the only true response. Having run something like 17 races in the last 4 years there’s more than just a little bit of thought that goes into making the decision to pull racers. The fact of the matter is – if you’re pulled it’s because you’re out of contention and the CR has decided to pull you based on a ton of factors and advice from the Chief Judge.
If a race is 40 minutes it is supposed to end as close to that 40 minute mark as possible. For both the winners and the last racers. The large field sizes have pushed course sizes out to 8-12 minute laps. In most fields letting the entire group finish on the same lap as the leaders and letting the leader race a full time would mean that the race would be ending after the start of the next race even with a 15 minute block between races.
It never makes sense to people who are only thinking of themselves and how it impacted their personal experience but for those thinking of the entire group it’s what has to happen.
Therefore the only response that is quick and accurate when someone complains of being pulled is to say,”go faster. The winners have never been pulled.” Everything else is an exercise in complaining that others don’t rearrange everything for your non-podium performance.
Yes, 15 minutes from when the winner of the race crosses the line until when the next race should begin. No, the officials would not have already staged the next race because they are still scoring the previous race. It isn’t until the last rider finishes that the CR can go over to the staging area and begin that process. And with fields 70-100 that takes some time. Add in the time for instructions, etc…
I was the first rider pulled at the bell in the cat 3 race and it was at 41:47, 16 seconds behind the rider in front of me — seems to be just right. Perhaps yours was unjust but being the first race of the day the officials are also ironing out the kinks (who are barely more than volunteers for what they get paid).
The series is trying to give as many people an opportunity to race by packing the schedule. This has some downsides, but to me the upsides outweigh.
We could always go back to 3 races A, B, and C, and a Women’s Open and a Jrs race. That would give everyone ample time.
The course was so long that officials had to pull riders with one to go — otherwise it’s another 8-10 minutes to wait for you to finish. If you are getting the bell after 40 minutes it is justified.
MarkZ, As I wrote in my first reply, I was pulled at 36min. Not trying to be argumentative, just wondering what’s going on this year? I raced all CCC races last year. Always finished around 30th. I was never lapped and never pulled in any race. This year they shortened the races by 5min and are pulling 50% of the riders with one lap to go. My races are 10min shorter this year. Not nearly the same bang for the buck.
Sorry for getting the time incorrect, but same argument. Pulled at 36 minutes on a course that has lap times of 8:00+ minutes. The officials need to make a decision to keep the trains running on time.
Is this the new CCC fad? 🙁 🙁
Complain about a measly $3 for getting lapped? I factored this using Jimmy as an example: pulled at 36 minutes out of 40 minutes and $30 for racing. Sorry, but that three dollars, I’d gladly waste for CCC, volunteers, and the safety of my fellow competitors.
BTW: I know some smarty smart pants is going to say – thinking they are all cute- “Hey, what about the cost of the gas and travel time?” And, to that I say ” just get faster and smile.”
Just to play devil’s advocate, the excuse for pulling a large % of people at Hopkin’s park was that the course was too short and that DRW is longer would not see the same effect.
Pulling is inevitable, massive pulling I still think is unnecessary. @Matt’s predictions will hold true every week if they continue pull large percentages of the field. Not everyone who loves this sport has excess time and money, and getting your race cut short is a bummer, and bummed people tend to complain.
With the size of the series this year and a new pattern that has developed I’m afraid there’s not much else to do except:
1.) Become faster,
2.) Shorten your lap times,
3.) Race more rapidly,
3.) Race a second race to make up for lost time,
4.) Write angry letters to the USAC, or
5.) Get pulled
I believe the complaint at Hopkins had more to do with being pulled before the bell lap — that a short course created more congestion for the leaders with lapped riders.
Raced 35+ both days…The event, course and people were amazing!
The officials pulling 50% of the riders with one lap to go? Very bogus…
Jimmy. I saw a sprint for 6,7,8 happen infront of me with a poor lapped rider trapped in the middle. On a course like that where there is single track, fast descents, and slippery climbs where the top 10 riders are 2 minutes apart, they have to do that. You still get scored and you still get the same amount of time on the course.
Wagabu, I understand your argument regarding lapped riders getting caught up in the mix of things. Safety should always be paramount. But in my situation (and many others) this was not the case. I finished in the low 30’s in Sunday’s race. I was on the same lap as the lead riders. The leaders crossed the start/finish and had received the bell for the final lap. Minutes later when I came through the start/finish to receive my bell lap, I was pulled instead. The next time the leaders crossed the line, the race was over. Myself and all the other riders on the lead lap would have simply followed them across in the order of our finish. Instead, the course had been largely cleared behind the winner. My race lasted approx 36min. So I did not received the same amount of time on the course. The exact same scenario happened to me at Saturday’s race as well. I finished 11th out 25-30 riders. I was pulled with one lap to go….It’s very frustrating…
For those of you keeping score at home, I believe this fulfills Matt Haiduk’s 4th and 5th predictions going into this weekend. (40 minute race would be a Master’s race)
Indeed. It’s almost like we’ve been around this thing for a while.
I don’t know much about anything, but I like to think I have complaining down pretty good.
It’s the only time we hear from you 😉
Bob, remember that time you crashed at the State Championships and stopped nearly the whole Cat 4 field… but I snuck by and beat you? Let’s do that again sometime!
That’d be that same race where I got 2nd in the holeshot and bob crashed in that turn right behind me. Man…that race was a metric ton of donuts ago.
Wild course 🙂
I’m uploading my photos to: https://flic.kr/s/aHsk5dvUjs
Sorry here should be the Single Speed link!
Master 35+ – slow mo
Thanks for posting this Omar!
Not quite sure what to say about the start of this race aside from the fact that it could have been executed better. Unfortunately, contact is often times unavoidable in events like this. However, using your body to muscle someone off of their line, or to squeeze yourself into a space for which you were not meant to occupy, is avoidable. Lets try to clean it up for next week. Hope everyone is ok after that. I feel like I was run over by a bus today.
Yeah you were holding your space against the fence and someone (202?) just impose himself from behind and on the inside.
It sucks to have the start messed up like that from someone trying to bulldoze up a few spots.
It’s not just about etiquette and being corteous, but against the actual rules as well.
Sometimes we are handlebar-to-handlebar fighting for a turn or a pass but this wasn’t even close.
“It is the responsibility of the person who is overtaking to be able to do it in a safe manner and whoever have the handlebars in front of the other has the right away into the turn.”
Omar I love how you dish out encouragement as riders pass you with your HR around 200!
It’s done and I’m done.
These are really great, so well done! (…although it makes me nauseous to observe that beautiful course again, after crashing myself out on the first lap and not getting to fully experience the race. Ugh.)
that was really nice of lenny kravitz to make us a video!
This is a great video. It really shows the essence of cyclocross and the quality of the courses in the Chicago Cross Cup series. You should think about a compilation or longer video and try and get it shown at REI or have a showing at local bike shops. Again, great job.
The lap count system was a bit confusing today – Juniors 15-18. Counter showed (2) to go then there was actually no bell lap – counter went from 2 to ‘you’re done’ including the front of the field. Also in the 35+ I raced it also went from 2 to ‘you’re done. A lot of the field did a lap less than the leaders.
Left a bag of diamonds and my wet swim trunks by the start/finish. Could someone bring them to the next race? Thanks.
I picked ’em up for you…no worries.
Great course. Great crapes. Really great time today. Thanks to all who made it happen!
Men’s 45+ GoPro
Part 1: http://youtu.be/zF_bo-dD_38
Part 2: http://youtu.be/Sv2rkmM2PKs
Part 3: http://youtu.be/Q2sgC-jmQpY
Part 4: http://youtu.be/PBwf25rF7js
Part 5: http://youtu.be/1u5EA-hpnfw
Great race today, the kind of course you can love / hate! Left Stan’s Iron Cross wheels in the pits, hopefully someone picked up and will be at next race?
Yes to the Stan’s and the other AM Classic wheel, along with helmets and gloves and jackets and back packs and other fun stuff will be at the reg area at Carpenter Park.
Photos of the Women’s 4, some juniors, and some random pre-riders! Enjoy. Feel free to download/share, but please credit Ronit Bezalel. https://www.flickr.com/photos/ronitbez/sets/72157648715739335/
Photos of the Womens 4, some juniors, and some random pre-riders! Enjoy. C. Ronit Bezalel.
Most excellent course design today! More of this please!
BIG thanks to Mr. Curtis for fixing my bent derailleur hanger 20 minutes before the start!
Also, thanks to Mr. Curtis for lending me a valve core tool to reinsert my rear valve core right before the race!!!!
Left a TenSpeed Hero Helicopter bottle at Staging. Anyone grab it?
Cute video. Nice work.
218 Masters 35+ photos. The same photos are in 2 places for convenience.
On Facebook: Smaller size & watermarked to share and like on Facebook http://on.fb.me/1o72eNv
On Jayloo: Full resolution/non-watermarked photos for free download and to purchase prints at http://bit.ly/1oVJEm9
More on their way.
All of the lower res photos are now on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jayloophotography
Still uploading high res to Jayloo.com: http://www.jayloo.com/Sports-Photography/2014-Dan-Ryan-Woods-Chicago
Also left a George Garner fleece at the start…
Is there a lost and found for ChiCrossCup? I’m missing warm-up apparel from Hopkins Park. Anyone?
Schweiker – there is a L/F box at Reg for each event.
Left an American Classic front wheel in the pit. Can someone please bring it to next weekends race.
Mor captured a video that summarizes why we love all you guys and gals so much. Enthusiastic support for everyone including #camelbackguy.
We will have our photos posted later tonight or tomorrow. Thanks for your support.
M & N
Thanks for giving him props. Really appreciate it!
LOVE it. Do you see the joy on his face????? So cool.
Awesome video thanks to the person who recorded me
Thanks for coming out! It was awesome to see you and so many others work hard the whole race.
The new 4/5 hero. Long live CamelBack Guy!
I like the nomenclature “Back Pack Boy.” How does the rest of Heckle Hill refer to our newest hero?
Thanks for keeping it real and racing. 99% of this cross thing is about having fun and we are glad you are onboard!
I give that guy credit for coming out again after what he went through the first race knowing he may take the same heat once again. I think the crowd made his season with this race. Dude had a smile from ear to ear. Hoping to see #Camelbakguy every race!
Forgot to mention, the course was rad! Keep up the interesting and challenging courses! Lap timing is much appreciated as well. Really helps to see where you can improve.
I agree. I’m home in bed totally beaten by the course today. The bunny hops, as much as I sucked at them clearly acted as a differentiator and I saw several races decided by them. Beyond that though the hills were vicious and the flats full of great challenging turns. Nicely done.
Photos are posted here.
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